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People who tried Gemini 4 Argon : r/GeminiAI (https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1x1y2a4/people_who_tried_gemini_4_argon/)
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L10: cite2†Go to GeminiAI L11: 
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L14: • 5d ago
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L16: cite3†u/Folanov L17: # People who tried Gemini 4 Argon
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L19: cite4†Help/question L20: 
L21: What are your feedbacks ? beyond those untrusted benchmarks and slopped browser games
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L43: cite6†Zealousideal_Rip_966 L44: 
L45: •
L46: 
L47: cite7†4d ago L48: Argon is good not frontier level yet. But Google has a lot more training compute now that they realigned the model availabilities each plan. They’re gonna release more frontier competing models than OpenAI and Anthropic and pace them out. Trust. They already have two new checkpoints (Barium and Carbon) and carbon is actually pretty competitive to Opus 5.5 High and Fable 5.1 Max. Never bet against Google
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L50: cite8†dis-interested L51: 
L52: •
L53: 
L54: cite9†4d ago L55: 
L56: It is wicked hot shit at making visualisations and graphs.
L57: cite10†neoqueto L58: 
L59: •
L60: 
L61: cite11†3d ago L62: 
L63: cite12†Image: Profile Badge for the Achievement Top 1% Commenter†i.redd.it Top 1% Commenter
L64: 
L65: I don't know if that's praise or criticism.
L66: 
L67: cite8†dis-interested L68: 
L69: •
L70: 
L71: cite13†3d ago L72: 
L73: It's praise. It is legitimately insanely good at doing it without being even asked and they are highly useful and interactive.
L74: 
L75: cite14†More replies cite15†More replies L76: 
L77: cite16†Turbulent-Total-226 L78: 
L79: •
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L81: cite17†3d ago L82: 
L83: cite12†Image: Profile Badge for the Achievement Top 1% Commenter†i.redd.it Top 1% Commenter
L84: I didn't try it but I know somebody who also didn't try it 🙄
L85: 
L86: cite18†Stauce52 L87: 
L88: •
L89: 
L90: cite19†5d ago L91: 
L92: I think it's competitive with Astra and Opus
L93: 
L94: cite20†No_Decision_6940 L95: 
L96: •
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L98: cite21†4d ago L99: 
L100: cite12†Image: Profile Badge for the Achievement Top 1% Commenter†i.redd.it Top 1% Commenter
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L102: That's exciting
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L104: cite22†More replies L105: 
L106: cite23†Timely_Summer_4135 L107: 
L108: •
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L110: cite24†5d ago L111: played with it a few hours yesterday, the speed is really the kicker here. 3 burst felt sluggish in comparison and this cranks through dense pdfs without burning a hole in my desk.
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L113: cite25†Paschoni L114: 
L115: •
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L117: cite26†4d ago L118: 
L119: Very competitive, not quite Opus 5.5 level but very close. Not sure about speed and token spending. Overall I think Google finally found the correct trajectories (pun intended)
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L121: cite27†SomeOrdinaryKangaroo L122: 
L123: •
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L125: cite28†5d ago L126: cite29†Image: Profile Badge for the Achievement Top 1% Poster†i.redd.it Top 1% Poster
L127: 
L128: It's a great model, not quite opus 5.5 level, but it easily matches Astra. There are rumors that Google already has another checkpoint ready that is even better, if that makes its way into Argon or becomes Gemini 4.1 we'll see
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L130: cite30†semangeIof L131: 
L132: •
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L134: cite31†5d ago L135: 
L136: "Not quite Opus 5.5 level" is really not what I wanted to here for a frontier model that isn't even out yet...
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L138: cite18†Stauce52 L139: 
L140: •
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L142: cite32†5d ago L143: I think Opus 5.5 is a better coder but Argon is a better writer FWIW
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L145: cite30†semangeIof L146: 
L147: •
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L149: cite33†4d ago L150: 
L151: Okay thank god because Opus 5.5 writes really amazing and short form creative is one of my most used AI applications right now. Now I'm excited.
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L153: cite34†touhami_dz L154: 
L155: •
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L157: cite35†5d ago L158: 
L159: we will see, the problemis that they hyped it so much and it didnt got released yet, that's just frustrating
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L161: cite36†sascharobi L162: 
L163: •
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L165: cite37†2d ago L166: 
L167: Who needs it for writing?
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L169: cite38†more reply cite38†more reply cite39†More replies L170: cite40†homezlice L171: 
L172: •
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L174: cite41†5d ago L175: 
L176: I’ve used both and while Opus has a slight edge perhaps, both of them chew up complex problems. This is about reaching a profitable and useful level in the enterprise and argon reaches that level.
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L178: cite42†GhostOfTomJefferson L179: 
L180: •
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L182: cite43†5d ago L183: 
L184: Google doesn't strive to be frontier, they strive to be near frontier, cheaper, and safer.
L185: They have an enormous and enormously profitable company already, and they would rather someone else take all the heat for riding the bleeding edge
L186: 
L187: cite34†touhami_dz L188: 
L189: •
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L191: cite44†4d ago L192: 
L193: they used to not strive to be frontier, now they are but they are playing catch up
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L195: cite45†more replies cite45†more replies cite46†More replies cite47†More replies L196: 
L197: cite48†SeparateDesigner1237 L198: 
L199: •
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L201: cite49†4d ago L202: Major tech products used to go years between major releases. These things are mutating so fast they go from an unreleased (failed) major 3.5 to a (assumed) triumphant 4.0 and possibly 4.1 in a matter of like 2 months. It's crazy when you consider that they are probably the most complex software ever produced. Databases never updated this fast. Kernels and compilers and browsers never updated this fast. I'm not sure if I should be celebrating because it's actually completely unpredictable what happens now.
L203: cite50†conleycomp L204: 
L205: •
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L207: cite51†4d ago L208: 
L209: Everyday feels like I am watching people stand in front of microwaves screaming "cook faster!". This stuff is already orders of magnitude faster than we can think and process the output. There's a point where every exponential curve reaches the edge of your graph...then what?
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L211: cite52†BiruGoPoke L212: 
L213: •
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L215: cite53†3d ago L216: Agree, we are probably going to plateau relatively soon, with any extra 0.1% better in benchmark going to cost tons of energy and money... and most likely, less and less people willing to pay for the frontier, that can have quite a few consequences.
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L218: cite54†More replies cite55†More replies L219: 
L220: cite56†hotnsoursoup86 L221: 
L222: •
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L224: cite57†3d ago L225: Why do people say Opus 5.5 is better than Astra? Or Sol 6.1? I find that its behind even Sol 6.1 for complex work. It leaves so many issues or doesnt consider the larger picture effectively. I have an eval pipeline with like 5 different plugin and skill workflows and 3-4 permutations of system prompts and cite58†CLAUDE.md†claude.md global/repo scopes. Can't get it to do everything. Even with context adjustments down to 500k cap, 750k, etc.
L226: I have Sol 6.1 review and identify immediate core concern bugs not just edge cases. (I have both Claude and OpenAI max plans) - and also, OpenAI = at LEAST 5x usage as Claude ...
L227: cite59†adjutanto L228: 
L229: •
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L231: cite60†2d ago L232: 
L233: it really depends on how YOU work, on WHICH work is being done, which temperature the model is set on, and sometimes even WHEN work is being done. overall opus 5.5 in most cases will feel much faster and more intuitive than astra in coding and webtools. however, astra and even sol 6.1 will be better at research, language, multi-modal (such as recognizing patterns), robotics and PC control.
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L235: cite61†EtherealBrecht L236: 
L237: •
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L239: cite62†19h ago L240: Many people validate models on their ability to create a game or a frontend UI.
L241: Problems which are quite mechanical, I've stopped writing UIs because once the design is there and you have some years in and have defined how you use your framework it felt like all the hard work was done and I just had to put in tedious text. If you've developed games you also know that most of the hard problems are known mathematical problems, AI excels at this since it's essentially reproducing a known pattern.
L242: I'm currently dealing with complex data problems which don't have known frameworks to solve them. That means.. no code to steal. For these problems I have the same experience as you. Any Anthropic model does half a job and doesn't even look at the existing code or specs decently. It behaves like an overconfident developer. If I want something that thinks out of the box, then I use opus.
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L244: cite63†More replies L245: 
L246: cite61†EtherealBrecht L247: 
L248: •
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L250: cite64†19h ago L251: Always find this hilarious.
L252: I dislike Opus it never yields good results. I prefer Sol or Astra for serious Rust coding.
L253: But it's not quite opus 5.5 level and easily matches Astra... interesting.
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L255: I guess I take away from that: "it's amazing and I won't dislike it because it doesn't have Opus's bullshit levels?"
L256: 
L257: cite65†jakegh L258: 
L259: •
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L261: cite66†4d ago L262: 
L263: According to AA benchmarks (benchmarks == heap of salt), Argon 4 high is roughly the same intelligence as Opus 5.5 high but 9% more expensive.
L264: If you want to compare to Astra for some reason (who uses Astra?), Argon 4 high is the same intelligence as Astra xhigh but 14% cheaper.
L265: 
L266: But Gemini models usually do quite well in benchmarks, it remains to be seen how they are to actually use.
L267: 
L268: cite67†Ok-Awareness-2931 L269: 
L270: •
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L272: cite68†2d ago L273: 
L274: that's 9% more expensive, without optimization while Opus is already at the .5 mark for its version
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L276: cite65†jakegh L277: 
L278: •
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L280: cite69†2d ago L281: 
L282: Sure, who can predict the future? Opus 5.6 is undoubtedly on the way too.
L283: cite70†More replies cite71†More replies cite72†More replies L284: 
L285: cite36†sascharobi L286: 
L287: •
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L289: cite73†2d ago L290: 
L291: If it's not quite Opus 5.5 level, maybe they will skip it and wait for the next one?
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L293: cite74†UnhingedApe L294: 
L295: •
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L297: cite75†3d ago L298: 
L299: Thorough, great at instruction following hence slow. Worse taste compared to Opus.
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L301: cite76†FacuEXZ L302: 
L303: •
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L305: cite77†10h ago L306: 
L307: Tengo el plan pro, le hice una pregunta a Argon, con nivel de pensamiento bajo y se gasto un 5% del plan de uso 💀.
L308: 
L309: Y no fue un pregunta muy loca.
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L311: cite78†boxgage22 L312: 
L313: •
L314: 
L315: cite79†8h ago L316: Yo hice unas 3 preguntas nada de otro mundo plan pro y adiós capacidad 100% consumió
L317: 
L318: cite80†More replies L319: # More posts you may like
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L430:   * cite98†Google apresenta Gemini 4 Argon focado em programação e cibersegurança L431: 
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L434: cite98†Google apresenta Gemini 4 Argon focado em programação e cibersegurança L435: 
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L469:   * cite106†When will gemini 4 argon be available to pro users in antigravity L470: 
L471: cite83†r/google_antigravity •
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L478:   * cite107†how it feels waiting for gemini 4 argon L479: 
L480: cite83†r/google_antigravity •
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L482: cite107†how it feels waiting for gemini 4 argon L483: 
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L498:   * cite110†Warning about buying directly from Argon 40 L499: 
L500: cite111†r/raspberry_pi •
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L502: cite110†Warning about buying directly from Argon 40 L503: 
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L507:   * cite112†argon - a git package manager L508: 
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L517:   * cite114†Why Is Gemini 4 Argon Being Treated Like The Mythos Of Today 😂 L518: 
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L527:   * cite115†Gemini 4 Argon officially takes the #1 spot on the Text Arena leaderboard with an Elo of 1,525. L528: 
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L530: cite115†Gemini 4 Argon officially takes the #1 spot on the Text Arena leaderboard with an Elo of 1,525. L531: 
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L536:   * cite116†Just received Gemini 4 argon on my account, seems like the rollout has started!! L537: 
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L540: cite116†Just received Gemini 4 argon on my account, seems like the rollout has started!! L541: 
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L546:   * cite117†WHY- IN THIS YEAR OF 2023- IS ANYONE STILL BUYING **SAMSUNG** APPLIANCES? L547: 
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L555:   * cite119†Gemini 4 Argon L556: 
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L559: cite119†Gemini 4 Argon L560: 
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L565:   * cite120†Gemini 4 Argon: primero en 13 de los 19 benchmarks de Google, pero frente a GPT-6.1 Sol y Opus 5.5 en pruebas independientes la cosa cambia L566: 
L567: cite121†r/InteligenciArtificial •
L568: cite120†Gemini 4 Argon: primero en 13 de los 19 benchmarks de Google, pero frente a GPT-6.1 Sol y Opus 5.5 en pruebas independientes la cosa cambia L569: 
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L574:   * cite122†Gemini 4 argon has same realise as 3.5 pro L575: 
L576: cite2†r/GeminiAI •
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L578: cite122†Gemini 4 argon has same realise as 3.5 pro L579: 
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L584:   * cite123†Any Leaks On When We GET TO USE Gemini 4 Argon? L585: 
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L588: cite123†Any Leaks On When We GET TO USE Gemini 4 Argon? L589: 
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L594:   * cite124†Gemini 4 Argon is what..? L595: cite2†r/GeminiAI •
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L597: cite124†Gemini 4 Argon is what..? L598: 
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L603:   * cite125†it appears google has added new settings in preparation for gemini 4.0 pro L604: 
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L607: cite125†it appears google has added new settings in preparation for gemini 4.0 pro L608: 
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L613:   * cite126†Gemini 4 Argon: Is Google Back? L614: 
L615: cite127†r/LLMDevs •
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L617: cite126†Gemini 4 Argon: Is Google Back? L618: 
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L623:   * cite128†Gemini Introduced Gemini 4 Argon it’s a beast L624: 
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L632:   * cite129†Gemini 4 absolutely cannot just be Fable-level L633: 
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L636: cite129†Gemini 4 absolutely cannot just be Fable-level L637: 
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L652:   * cite132†Google just released Gemini 4 Argon 🔥 L653: 
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L656: cite132†Google just released Gemini 4 Argon 🔥 L657: 
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